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Postby fay's unKle » Sat Feb 18, 2017 3:23 pm

I AM TAKING THE LIBERTY TO SUGGEST SOMETHING. SOMETIMES WE READ INCREDIBLE SCIENTIFIC AND TECHNOLOGICAL ACCOMPLISHMENTS AND WE CAN'T AVOID TO WONDER ABOUT OTHER THINGS THAT MIGHT HAPPEN, EVEN IN THE FAR UNFORESEEABLE FUTURE THAT MAY NOW SEEM EVEN SCIENCE FICTION AND WE WANT TO ASK/DISCUSS WITH MANY OTHER PEOPLE ( FORUMS ) OUTSIDE OUR RATHER SMALL HUMAN ENVIRONMENT. MANY TIMES CAN BE THE SALT AND PEPPER IN SCIENCE AND MIND REFRESHING AND A FEW TIMES INTELLECTUALLY CHALLENGING, I AM WONDERING IF YOU CAN ADD A SUB-FORUM WHO'S TITLE WILL HAVE THE MEANING : WILL IT HAPPEN IN SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY. (THE SITES MANAGEMENT HAS BETTER COMMAND OF ENGLISH AND WILL FIND THE EXACT WORDING)

I AM WONDERING FOR EXAMPLE, WILL EVER THE HUMAN BEING GET TO THE POINT TO CREATE ARTIFICIAL CELLS WITH THEIR DNA THAT WILL DRIVE THE SELF-ASSEMBLY OF AN OBJECT, EVEN OF THE SHAPE OF A CUP, MIMICKING IN ITS SIMPLEST FORM NATURE'S MIRACLE OF SELF-ASSEMBLING BIOLOGICAL ORGANISMS OF ALL SORTS AND COMPLEXITY.
IT'S NOT PERSONAL THEORY OR EXACTLY SCIENCE FICTION AND CERTAINLY NOT BIZARRE, (STUPID WORD) MAYBE IT IS "A MOMENT'S UNCONVENTIONAL SCIENTIFIC THINKING" THAT ONLY THE ONES WHO BELIEVE A LOT IN SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY DARE.
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Re: ADDITION OF SUB-FORUM ?

Postby JohnDuffield » Mon Feb 20, 2017 8:58 pm

I've added a new subject called Will it Happen?
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Craig Venter and his 'technology'

Postby Good Elf » Mon Feb 20, 2017 9:54 pm

A sub-forum on matters other than pure science might be a good idea. John Duffield has added a new forum...Will it happen? this seems to be reasonable. In the meantime I will try and answer some central questions here.
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Craig Venter (Wikipedia) has made considerable advances in making artificial life. In 2010 Venter created "Synthetic Life" using only lab based non-biologically sourced raw materials and a donor cell wall. Otherwise totally synthetic life is either "possible" or "a fact" depending on the source you use to address. However these "facts" remain "Corporate Property" and you could be imprisoned for revealing them if you knew any details. Multinational Corporations are also beyond the reach of any individual Government and cannot be brought to account more generally, they are stateless and without allegiance to any particular State or Country, and that is the way Corporations want it to remain.
Wikipedia on Synthetic Biology wrote:Synthetic DNA
Main articles: Artificial gene synthesis and Synthetic genomics

Driven by dramatic decreases in costs of making oligonucleotides ("oligos"), the sizes of DNA constructions from oligos have increased to the genomic level.[34] For example, in 2000, researchers at Washington University reported synthesis of the 9.6 kbp (kilo base pair) Hepatitis C virus genome from chemically synthesized 60 to 80-mers.[35] In 2002 researchers at SUNY Stony Brook succeeded in synthesizing the 7741 base poliovirus genome from its published sequence, producing the second synthetic genome. This took about two years of work.[36] In 2003 the 5386 bp genome of the bacteriophage Phi X 174 was assembled in about two weeks.[37] In 2006, the same team, at the J. Craig Venter Institute, had constructed and patented a synthetic genome of a novel minimal bacterium, Mycoplasma laboratorium and were working on getting it functioning in a living cell.[38][39][40]
"Synthetic Life" is already a fact.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthetic ... thetic_DNA

Wikipedia on Craig Venter wrote:Venter is seeking to patent the first partially synthetic species possibly to be named Mycoplasma laboratorium.[39] There is speculation that this line of research could lead to producing bacteria that have been engineered to perform specific reactions, for example, produce fuels, make medicines, combat global warming, and so on.[40]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craig_Venter

Synthetic life in Wikipedia wrote:In the area of synthetic biology, a living "artificial cell" has been defined as a completely synthetically-made cell that can capture energy, maintain ion gradients, contain macromolecules as well as store information and have the ability to mutate.[45] Nobody has been able to create such an artificial cell.[45]

The first living organism with 'artificial' DNA was produced by scientists at the Scripps Research Institute as E. coli was engineered to replicate an expanded genetic alphabet.[46]

A completely synthetic genome was produced by Craig Venter, and his team introduced it to genomically emptied bacterial host cells,[47] and allowed the host cells to grow and replicate.[48][49]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthetic_biology#Synthetic_life
Personally these developments are very disturbing, but so are developments in the physical sciences ... particularly the ones related to war and the spreading global conflict... eg: robotics and computing. Synthetic Life has recently been created with an extra two non-natural (non-functioning) bases. These developments are only held in control by non-binding ethical considerations. Separate developments such as this one are continuing as we speak.
Scientists Create Synthetic Membranes That Grow Like Living Cells - 22 June 2015
IMHO the ethical side of Corporate Science is woefully lacking. Civilization is a very fragile thing. It is easily irreversibly broken. Our collective experiments are being carried out in a laboratory in which 7.5 Billion people now live... this planet... mostly oblivious to the near and present danger. If something goes wrong there is no "Plan B"... well not for the bulk of humanity anyway. These well resourced individuals, they have made preparations "just in case", and will survive anything that would kill the bulk of the rest of us. The consequences of this rise in global population and it's irreversible effect on the environment is certain and foreseeable. A child can see. Your Governments with their vast resources can also see. If people do not see with the substantial education and access to the resources of the Internet that they have now... then they probably will never see ... until it is far too late.
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Re: ADDITION OF SUB-FORUM ?

Postby fay's unKle » Tue Feb 21, 2017 5:05 pm

JohnDuffield You are a gentleman and an officer.


Good Elf I am reading you answer.
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Re: ADDITION OF SUB-FORUM ?

Postby fay's unKle » Sun Mar 12, 2017 5:06 pm

Do you consider the making of a 'cup like shape' from a plant, as pine cones grow on pine trees, "Synthetic Life".

The ethics is a big subject of concern, but I am sorry to say nothing can stop the power-games, including robots for war. When I saw pilotless war planes I thought how come it took so long.
"Civilization is a very fragile thing. It is easily irreversibly broken." I'm sorry but not so easily, but its progress can slow down like it did in the middle ages.

Other than that, thanks for the answer, very informative. I follow the subject from a distance because it's relative to the subject of self-assembly of biological species.
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